Now You See It, Now You Don't
The sloppy editing starts to get unnerving. Perhaps the reason for it is that the original cut went well past 3 hours, or perhaps some scenes needed editing to avoid an “R” rating, but nonetheless the result was a number of places in the movie which suffered from poor or mis-timed editing.
Here’s one:
The Joker crashes a party and clearly is on a homicidal track, bringing along a number of henchmen to help him out. He threatens Rachel Dawes and then Batman appears and everyone was kung-fu fightin’… So The Joker tosses Rachel out a window and Batman dives for her and, I suppose by the laws of Superman physics, manages to catch her and slow down their fall enough to keep them both from having their bones crushed when hitting a car. Never mind this physical magic (so magical that even Rachel wasn’t out of breath enough for her to make her singular semi-comical quip in the entire movie), but the next scene we see… Batman standing atop some building looking all… Batman-ish. Nice shot but, uh, what about the party? The one with The Joker, some goons, a bunch of guns, and a lot of innocent people whose lives were being threatened. I supposed Batman just figured The Joker would get bored and leave because we all know the party’s over once Batman leaves.
Here’s another:
The Joker is in the interrogation room, and someone who shall remain unnamed un-cuffed him, and he’s left with a cop standing guard on him. He’s taunting the guard, obviously to rile him up so he’ll start a fight with him and presumably overpower him to expedite his escape. The next thing we are shown in that police precinct is The Joker now has that cop overpowered with a sharp object (probably a piece of glass). So when can the doors in interrogation rooms be opened from the inside? Who’s genius idea was it to leave a homicidal maniac un-cuffed in a room with a single guard? Something was missing here and it was a gaping hole which felt that way.
Yet another:
Just before The Joker and some of his goons pour gasoline onto the huge pile of cash, we are shown the Chinese banker tied to a chair at the top of the pile. The camera pans a bit and we never see him again. It’s obvious he was set on fire atop the blaze, but it’s never shown or even visually asserted, other than the quick shot of him that is very easy to miss. Probably there were scenes of him on fire that were too intense for a PG-13 rating, but then why even have him visible in a glimpse in a shot like that? And why not have the Joker comment later about setting him on fire? It’s like the editing wasn’t fully thought through for that scene and then it’s quickly forgotten.
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I kept waiting for Batman to flip open his utility belt and let fly some cool bat shaped grappling hook… waiting… waiting.. waiting… CRASH I was all the FU–! What kind of superhero CAN’T stop himself from falling.?
yes i definately agree with this site and to all those who spotted flaws especially to tdksucks.. thank u!
so many ppl seem to find this movie a masterpiece and best movie ever made. i just dont get it.. its totally overrated!!
here are some areas which i thought was silly.
– batman swerving himself away from the joker, and knocking himself out cold. that was pathethic.
– the police are useless and amateurish in so many parts. no wonder joker and his goons takeover the entire city so easily.
– the way the joker manages to escape from the interrogation room was stupid also.
– what so great about the fight scenes. anyway would hav been cool if batman had used some flying cutting weapons and more gadgets etc but he didnt
– harvey is seen talkin to gordon who appears out of nowhere. nothing revealed to us except that he was wearing a bulletproof vest. and the next scene harveydent is alredy caught by the joker. which was never showed how. seems like the shots were simply added here.
– batman just runs off without saying anything to anyone and chooses to rescue harvey and not rachel. and what if the joker had lied to him on the location.
– rachel perfectly unhurt from the fall off the building.. the car was smashed.
– bank robbery in beginning, guy drives bus thru wall knowing exactly where one of them is standing.
– twofaced flipping the coin before killing. even when it lands on the safe side.. he says “lets do it again”. so dumb. btw, he shld hav shot the joker in the hosp.
– ending part.. batman pushes him off the edge and thats it?
i know its a superhero movie and all. but there are many others more entertaining with better buildup of story and character. good example of a recent one would be ironman.
“batman just runs off without saying anything to anyone and chooses to rescue harvey and not rachel. and what if the joker had lied to him on the location.”
This is a constant confusion for people, probably because the execution (directing/editing) was flawed. Basically, The Joker lied to Batman, telling him the opposite addresses for Rachel & Harvey. Batman tells Gordon he’s going to Rachel’s address as he’s running out and Gordon says he’ll go save Dent. Neither realized The Joker lied and gave opposite addresses. Batman didn’t choose to save Dent, he thought he was going to the location Rachel was at.
As I commented on another post, it’s great that a homicidal maniac gives out information [location of Dent and Dawes] and nobody questions the fact that he just MIGHT be lying. Yeesh.
haha yea exactly..
I have a question? Do any of you think that Iron man and the Incredilbe Hulk were better, I do, But know one I know seem to agree.
“- twofaced flipping the coin before killing. even when it lands on the safe side.. he says “lets do it again”. so dumb.”
This didn’t happen. It landed on the burnt side for Batman and the shiny side for Dent.
Actually that did happen in the tunnel scene before batman stopped him. He was just doing that to freak the guy out to get info. The guy didnt know the coin had two sides. Later on though yes, it was burnt on one side.
Here is the scene I don’t understand… and no-one has mentioned it.
How does the joker get caught by batman and the police?
we all saw the joker’s truck getting flipped… and the joker getting out of the truck unhurt…
then we see batman race on his motorbike towards the joker, batman crashes, and the joker is on the floor and suddenly the joker is captured?
what just happened?
was that bad edditting?
Gordon, disguised as a SWAT officer, held the joker at gunpoint when he went to investigate Batman on the floor.
@ Adam
“Try explaining these anomalies:” Okay, I’ll give it a shot.
1) “At the ceremony to honour the recently murdered commissioner, the joker was disguised as one of the guards. His disfigured face was clearly visible for all to see, so why didn’t anyone notice it?” They hadn’t seen him without make-up before.
2) “How could he also dress-up in a nurse’s outfit with his make up and not be seen? Did he apply it when he entered the hospital? Is it really that easy to do?” Panic to evacuate the hospital was on his side. Yes, it would be easy to do.
3) “How could the joker also safely walk into the mob bosses meeting without anyone stopping him? Were they not concerned about what could happen to them if they did not have adequate security?” They had security; it showed them with metal detectors. Maybe The Joker killed the security? Movies don’t have to show every single detail, btw.
4) “Bullets cannot penetrate batman’s suit, but the fangs of dogs can? What sophisticated technology is that?” The arm pieces are more vulnerable than the torso pieces (more movement necessary in certain areas of the suit).
5) “Furthermore, why would they set up a movie where the police force is entirely inept at dealing with anything? We have the commissioner, the judge, and the mob men all being killed by the joker and his goons? To declare martial law, one has to request such an order from the president. All Nolan had the police do in this movie was drive their cars, chase batman, and be killed. What kind of police force is that?” A corrupt one that was in cahoots with the mob and one that was being tricked by a brilliantly clever villain. The Joker fooled everyone, if you recall.
6) “The most preposterous part of the movie was the bank robbery. There is no way that integrated conspiracy could ever be accomplished with such secrecy. Why did the school buses not recognize that one of their own came out of a damn bank and joined their convoy?” Maybe they did notice and The Joker quickly escaped to avoid capture once it was called in by the other bus drivers. The bus convoy element could’ve been just a means to get him out of the bank and buy some time to get away from the scene. Remember, not every detail must be spelled out in a film; no film in history has ever covered every single possible detail.
7) “Now, the man in the cell had a phone in his body. Did he not notice the scars, or was he too stupid to see it? Should he not have told the officers that someone implanted something into his body? Why would he merely say “I do not feel good” if he has a damn bomb in his abdomen?” He was insane and/or on drugs. They mentioned that The Joker attracted mentally challenged people like the one Dent interrogated.
8) “At Bruce’s fundraiser why were there no police officers? Harvey Dent was known to be a target of the criminal organizations? So where the hell is the security?” Batman was the security.
9) “I also need to know how the joker and his gang could place canisters of fuel with a detonator on a ship that was supposed to be guarded by none other than the National Guard. How could they even accomplish such a feat?” A diversion, possibly? He had control of the city at this point and all the criminals were involved in his plot. And, the police were in cahoots with the criminals as well.
10) “And how could the stupid mob bosses let the joker leave with his bombs? One need only shoot him when he was far away from the area. That would then have been his last laugh. He showed the bombs to these men and then was allowed to leave safely. Normally, I think that you would need a better plan than that. Either blow yourself up or stay there and fight them.” They had a metal detector at that meeting and didn’t let the mob guys in with weapons.
11) “Why did they not give joker some of his trademark weapons: bombs with clown faces on them, gas that stuns you, or the flower on his coat? This joker was a psychotic killer, but he was not terrifying.” Sorry you were disappointed.
12) “How on earth do they explain the supposed death of Gordon? Was he not shot by the joker? Did he not suffer some wound? None of this is revealed to us. Gordon just comes back without any explanation. That is interesting. I didn’t see the cops wearing bullet proof vests either, so how did he survive?” How could you know he wasn’t wearing a bullet proof vest? Besides, people survive being shot all the time.
13) “The entire plot is impossible, so only Hollywood could have made it up. There is no way that some fool in a clowns suit could do all of that without being seen or caught. One joker does not take over the entire city.” He had a lot of help.
14) “Why the hell didn’t the people on the boats think of jumping into the water? Perhaps where the joker is not looking and swimming to safety? I would have done that, or at least thought of some other plan. They did not even have experts on diffusing bombs on the vessel, and weren’t there just barrels of fuel there anyway?” The Joker said in his message that he would blow them up if anyone tried to escape.
15) “Instead of punching the swat team, couldn’t batman have announced that the hostages are not the patients, but the crooks in disguise? What a jerk! He did not have to yell it either; all he had to say, on their frequency, was that they should not fire on them.” It was dark in there. Can you prove that he had access to their frequency? How could he know that they would listen to him? Police are taught to shoot when a gun is pointed at them, the hostages couldn’t help but point their weapons.
16) “How could the joker shoot Gordon in the middle of the crowd and get away? What kind of security is that? No wonder so many people lost their faith in the police.” I can’t tell if this is a question or a statement. But everyone fled the scene in panic, which was clearly shown.
17) “I thought that Bruce said he was going to rescue the girl. Why did he choose to rescue Dent? Did he not like the woman? Why did he not, at the very least, say to Gordon I will get Dent and you can get the woman? Instead he ran out of the interrogation room poised for battle. This batman is dumb!” The Joker tricked him.
18) “What the hell happened to the lawyer who wanted to reveal batman’s identity?” He was saved by Bruce Wayne and Commissioner Gordon.
19) “How did two face survive when he shot the driver of the car for that mob goon, and yet passed out when he fell a few feet? The car flipped onto its roof.” He put on his seatbelt.
wow… im making up complaints? you mindless jackasses are look for compliments and praise for a b movie at best… go watch your dark knight and have fun, but do not complain at people who didnt like that piece of crap, it’s real, its a comic book, heath ledger became a god (who rocked in lords of dog town) bale is the best thing since sliced bread, bat ipod cycle film… and for the record they wasted talented actors for a piece of crap
tdksucks, on July 25th, 2008 at 10:39 pm Said:
Adam, before someone frothing at the mouth discounts your whole comment for just a few points out of it, I’ll address them myself. Really, all your points are great observations, and it’s just a few things that need to be corrected:
“17) I thought that Bruce said he was going to rescue the girl. Why did he choose to rescue Dent?”
This seems to be highly misunderstood by a lot of people. Joker simply lied to Batman so that he would end up going to the opposite location that he thought he was going to. I don’t understand why a lot of people seem to be consistently unsure about this, but it definitely doesn’t speak well for Nolan’s ability to make this clear in the direction of how that part of the story plays out.
“18) What the hell happened to the lawyer who wanted to reveal batman’s identity?”
Bruce Wayne saved his ass from getting run down (he got his Lamborghini smashed up to save him) and there was a very brief 2-second “nod” between him & Reese which in those 2 seconds is supposed to relay “OK Bruce, you saved my ass, I’ll keep my mouth shut now.”
Anyway, the rest of your points are exactly what this site is about & for, and helps a lot in confirming what all the issues are.
ooops! sorry pls ignore the above.
good reply by whistle btw
Whistie,
You have offered some very good comments to my questions, but I think that they are not irrefutable. Now let me try and refute you.
1) “At the ceremony to honour the recently murdered commissioner, the joker was disguised as one of the guards. His disfigured face was clearly visible for all to see, so why didn’t anyone notice it?” They hadn’t seen him without make-up before.
2) I know that they were unaware of his true identity, but the scars on his face were visible. Someone in the department must have noticed such a peculiar officer. The marks, remember, made a broadened smile on his face. Previous to this event, the joker also produced a video of himself, so shouldn’t the police and batman have examined the video for facial features or details that could help them identify him?
2) “How could he also dress-up in a nurse’s outfit with his make up and not be seen? Did he apply it when he entered the hospital? Is it really that easy to do?” Panic to evacuate the hospital was on his side. Yes, it would be easy to do.
3) No, I do not think that it would be that easy. He could not have just entered the hospital even in the midst of panic because the police would have monitored who entered and who left. I cannot therefore conceive of how the joker could be in a nurse’s outfit in his make-up and no one would notice him entering into rooms or even entering into the building. Even if there was panic, an orderly evacuation of the patients and the security of hospital personnel would have been of their highest priority. The joker must have been present in the hospital before mandatory evacuations were called.
3) “How could the joker also safely walk into the mob bosses meeting without anyone stopping him? Were they not concerned about what could happen to them if they did not have adequate security?” They had security; it showed them with metal detectors. Maybe The Joker killed the security? Movies don’t have to show every single detail, btw.
4) I know that movies do not have to show every detail, but they must make their plots believable on some level. I cannot see how mob bosses who had their money stolen by this guy would not have stopped him from leaving so easily. I know that the police can be soft and inept, but do you really think that these men would ever do such a thing? He pulled out his bombs and taunted the goons, and then he was allowed to leave unharmed. This was no mob meeting; it was the congregation of scared children who could do nothing without the joker.
4) “Bullets cannot penetrate batman’s suit, but the fangs of dogs can? What sophisticated technology is that?” The arm pieces are more vulnerable than the torso pieces (more movement necessary in certain areas of the suit).
5) If there are vulnerabilities in his armor, then how could he have landed on the roof of a car with minor injuries? One cannot have it both ways. I seriously thought that this scene could have showed batman using his grappling hook to save both of them, not descending hundreds of feet onto a car. The force of that impact should have hurt him, so how did it not do so?
5) “Furthermore, why would they set up a movie where the police force is entirely inept at dealing with anything? We have the commissioner, the judge, and the mob men all being killed by the joker and his goons? To declare martial law, one has to request such an order from the president. All Nolan had the police do in this movie was drive their cars, chase batman, and be killed. What kind of police force is that?” A corrupt one that was in cahoots with the mob and one that was being tricked by a brilliantly clever villain. The Joker fooled everyone, if you recall.
6) I do not believe that the plot reflected reality. Hollywood is free, however, to make all these things possible, but the audience can only assess such movies from our experience of this world. At every moment when the joker rose to power, I was unconvinced that he gained it with wit or brilliance. It seemed that the city gave it to him willingly. Think of the greatness of a criminal who could find ways to overcome a robust police force (they were not all paid by the mob) and a smart, resourceful batman. Now that would be a criminal worthy of the name joker.
6) “The most preposterous part of the movie was the bank robbery. There is no way that integrated conspiracy could ever be accomplished with such secrecy. Why did the school buses not recognize that one of their own came out of a damn bank and joined their convoy?” Maybe they did notice and The Joker quickly escaped to avoid capture once it was called in by the other bus drivers. The bus convoy element could’ve been just a means to get him out of the bank and buy some time to get away from the scene. Remember, not every detail must be spelled out in a film; no film in history has ever covered every single possible detail.
7) But, if you recall, the police cars were on the scene in moments of the event. The joker’s bus was trapped in a long line of other buses; he was a sitting duck. Why didn’t they just make it so that he could escape in some car or other vehicle? Shouldn’t the civilians have noticed that a school bus came out of the bank as well? I am still not entirely sure why he wanted to kill all of his goons? Was it for the money? Such a plan requires planning and practice, so the joker could not have told them at the last minute to do this. He also could not have told them earlier to kill their comrades when they finished their job. I have a hard time believing that the bank robbery could ever have been pulled off with such precision.
7) “Now, the man in the cell had a phone in his body. Did he not notice the scars, or was he too stupid to see it? Should he not have told the officers that someone implanted something into his body? Why would he merely say “I do not feel good” if he has a damn bomb in his abdomen?” He was insane and/or on drugs. They mentioned that The Joker attracted mentally challenged people like the one Dent interrogated.
8) This man did not look insane or on drugs; he was an ordinary criminal. All he had to do was lift his shirt or examine the scars for himself, and then he would have been removed to the hospital. Again, I realize that Hollywood can do whatever they want, but this is not in the least believable for the rest of us.
8) “At Bruce’s fundraiser why were there no police officers? Harvey Dent was known to be a target of the criminal organizations? So where the hell is the security?” Batman was the security.
9) But there was absolutely no security. They could have surrounded the building. They could have used Dent as bait to get the joker, but they were not there at all. Remember, once the enemy enters a building he is trapped, so how on earth could these cops let him escape? Batman even had time to get off the roof of the car and find the joker. Why didn’t he?
9) “I also need to know how the joker and his gang could place canisters of fuel with a detonator on a ship that was supposed to be guarded by none other than the National Guard. How could they even accomplish such a feat?” A diversion, possibly? He had control of the city at this point and all the criminals were involved in his plot. And, the police were in cahoots with the criminals as well.
10) I do not believe that so many people who were once working for the mob would then transfer their allegiance to the joker. When you have the National Guard in your city, every conceivable precaution should be taken. The movie producers just made all of these people so incapable of following any procedure that the joker was freely given the city. That is not a great criminal mind; it is a Hollywood plot that stretches the imagination to the point of incredulity.
10) “And how could the stupid mob bosses let the joker leave with his bombs? One need only shoot him when he was far away from the area. That would then have been his last laugh. He showed the bombs to these men and then was allowed to leave safely. Normally, I think that you would need a better plan than that. Either blow yourself up or stay there and fight them.” They had a metal detector at that meeting and didn’t let the mob guys in with weapons.
11) They could have stood behind him and then waited to see what he would do next. You cannot do that to a group of people and then run away. They would think if they approached you that it would be too dangerous, but they would also know that you are not willing to blow yourself up as you move closer to the door, so why not get him then? Again, I think that the mob people were like high school kids, not professionals of any kind.
11) “Why did they not give joker some of his trademark weapons: bombs with clown faces on them, gas that stuns you, or the flower on his coat? This joker was a psychotic killer, but he was not terrifying.” Sorry you were disappointed.
12) I was disappointed because the joker is my favorite super villain of the batman series. They should have combined Jack Nicholson’s playful jokes with Heath’s psychotic killer and integrated more laughter, and then the joker we have come to know in the animated version would be brought to life in this movie. The joker laughs; it is his peculiar attribute and his laugh reveals his mood. We should have had more of this.
12) “How on earth do they explain the supposed death of Gordon? Was he not shot by the joker? Did he not suffer some wound? None of this is revealed to us. Gordon just comes back without any explanation. That is interesting. I didn’t see the cops wearing bullet proof vests either, so how did he survive?” How could you know he wasn’t wearing a bullet proof vest? Besides, people survive being shot all the time.
13) People may survive being shot some times, but some don’t. Gordon was shot at close range in the back. I still do not understand this plot. Why would they lure the joker and his goons into the passage between apartment buildings, where the police have positioned themselves to locate threats and survey the crowd and then have the joker shot Gordon and get away with it? This kind of protection is a joke. Gordon survived by means that were not revealed to us. I guess he was lucky.
13) “The entire plot is impossible, so only Hollywood could have made it up. There is no way that some fool in a clowns suit could do all of that without being seen or caught. One joker does not take over the entire city.” He had a lot of help.
14) He also had a lot of enemies. Remember, the mob did not offer their full cooperation with his plans. He had to function primarily on his own with other lunatics who overcame the military, the police, and batman to take the city. I think that the producers had to give the city to him quickly and freely. They had no other choice.
14) “Why the hell didn’t the people on the boats think of jumping into the water? Perhaps where the joker is not looking and swimming to safety? I would have done that, or at least thought of some other plan. They did not even have experts on diffusing bombs on the vessel, and weren’t there just barrels of fuel there anyway?” The Joker said in his message that he would blow them up if anyone tried to escape.
15) This point is a little weaker and your criticism is just, but still why would people not react differently? They merely began to vote. There was no discussion of how to escape or what scheme they could use to thwart the joker’s ends. If you and I were in that situation, I think we could come up with a better plan then merely sitting there waiting to die.
15) “Instead of punching the swat team, couldn’t batman have announced that the hostages are not the patients, but the crooks in disguise? What a jerk! He did not have to yell it either; all he had to say, on their frequency, was that they should not fire on them.” It was dark in there. Can you prove that he had access to their frequency? How could he know that they would listen to him? Police are taught to shoot when a gun is pointed at them, the hostages couldn’t help but point their weapons.
16) Batman had, before he entered the building, spoken to Gordon so why not help the police in this instance? I still think the guy was a jerk for doing this, and it cost him time and effort. He could have gone after the joker quicker had he decided to make life easier for the police. Police are also taught to think before they enter into a building where dangers abound. They do not go in shooting and killing at will.
16) “How could the joker shoot Gordon in the middle of the crowd and get away? What kind of security is that? No wonder so many people lost their faith in the police.” I can’t tell if this is a question or a statement. But everyone fled the scene in panic, which was clearly shown.
17) All the snipers on the rooftops and all the people in the street did not notice the one cop who shot and ran? The police are trained to seek these assassins. They are specially placed so that the crowd’s activities are visible to them. How then could he shoot the guy and run? The security that the police offered was ineffective.
17) “I thought that Bruce said he was going to rescue the girl. Why did he choose to rescue Dent? Did he not like the woman? Why did he not, at the very least, say to Gordon I will get Dent and you can get the woman? Instead he ran out of the interrogation room poised for battle. This batman is dumb!” The Joker tricked him.
18) I will accept your criticism here. I missed the part where he told batman the location of Dent and made him think that it was the girl’s.
18) “What the hell happened to the lawyer who wanted to reveal batman’s identity?” He was saved by Bruce Wayne and Commissioner Gordon.
19) I did not remember that scene; it must have been quick. I will therefore accept your point as valid and mine as debunked.
19) “How did two face survive when he shot the driver of the car for that mob goon, and yet passed out when he fell a few feet? The car flipped onto its roof.” He put on his seatbelt.
20) So the next time your car flips over, you should merely wear your seat belt. Pray to God that you land with only minor injuries to your skull.
Thanks Whistie, your points were very good so let the debate continue. I think that this move was praised far above its merits.
I meant whistle, not whistie. I didn’t see that there was an “l” not an “i” in your name, so I am sorry for making this error, whistle. I need to use my reading glasses more often.
8) This man did not look insane or on drugs; he was an ordinary criminal. All he had to do was lift his shirt or examine the scars for himself, and then he would have been removed to the hospital. Again, I realize that Hollywood can do whatever they want, but this is not in the least believable for the rest of us.
The man states at one point, “He said he’d make the voice go away and replace them with bright lights, like a christmas tree!”
That is how we know he was
1)Crazy
2)Working for Joker at some point
I don’t want to bump Whistle out of the debate but I’ll hit up some of the others later when I have some time.
Yeah, I can see how some can’t overcome certain aspects of a movie like this, but some of us can. I like that the film attempted to cover the whole ‘people wouldn’t do this or that in that situation’ argument by having the Joker’s philosophy be that people don’t think clearly or do the right thing in the midst of chaos.
I totally agree with criticism of the scene where Batman saves Rachel and lands on the car.
Upon a 2nd viewing, I found things about the film I didn’t like as much as I did initially, but it was still (IMO) scores better than Batman Begins and the Schumacher Batman films.
I think far fetched is kind of the name of the game in a film like this.
I mean, really, if you are talking believable, how could one believe Batman’s timing in the Hong Kong kidnapping? That plane flying overhead and Batman sending his little balloon thing up? He didn’t even check his watch or anything to see if the precise moment he needed to launch the balloon had arrived.
But I accept it in terms of thrill-ride action movie realism. They explained how stuff worked out the way it did, whether or not you buy that it could actually happen is a whole different animal.
@tdksucks. Ok, the guy you came to a party to find isnt there. your mortal enemy has incapacitated all your goons and dived out a freakin window, no less. You no have no real reason to stay there and, assuming someone has a phone (not unbeleivable), cops are coming. Why stay at an active crime scene? he had guns, so obviously the guests wouldnt stop him.
At the police station, there had to be someone who was capable of unlocking the door on the other side. otherwise the cop would have been locked in. why no cuffs? well, he just copped a beating from batman. and hes locked in the room, which makes the cuffs redundant. Why the guard? Deaths in custody dont go down well in terms of careers and image for cops. So they would want a guy nearby to mkae sure the joker didn’t suicide or die of the (illegal) beating. How did the joker bust out. Hmmm, one of your colleagues is hostage to a known cop killer. wat, you just let him die? no, you open the door.
And the gasoline. well, actions speak louder than words. Sure, you could just have the joker say somehtin bout burning him. but hes shown on top of the gasoline money heap, which has more of an impact (obviously not shown to the R-rated degree). Why would the joker bother to say something after as well? the mob guys have seen it happen. they all know hes gonna die. why bring it up again?
i’d answer adams criticisms but im to tired now. 2 be continued.
A few people have already pointed this out but some of the best movies out there have a lot of bloopers, editing jumps etc. Time to find some new ammo, I
Whoa even this site’s programming hates what I’m saying and sent my message before I had finished.
A few people have already pointed this out but some of the best movies out there have a lot of bloopers, editing jumps etc. Time to find some new ammo, I think. Next.
I gave up reading so many comments.
Good thing, I saved my time 🙂
you should too.