Joker was omnipotent, being in many places at once and relying more on the “out-of-character” knowledge of the writers themselves than of “in-character” knowledge and all the limitations he should have.

Bale was an okay Bruce Wayne, but a horrible Batman. Not as horrible as Clooney, but the way he struggles with his voice and the wooden acting he shouldn’t have now that his bat-armor’s more articulate was a bit jarring.

Rachel Dawes is terrible, and I think it may be because she’s flawed by design as a character. The fact that she ultimately became a “woman in the fridge” is testament to that fact. It certainly didn’t help that Maggie G. was downright scary in some scenes.

Then there’s the bullet jacket thing. I mean, come on! You can’t get a fingerprint out of that… again, Hollywood science at its finest.

Then the fact that they were able to empty a hospital so fast. Also, I posit that without Ledger dying, the movie wouldn’t gross half as much as it would have regardless of its so-called merits.

The fans of this movie is the worse, as seen from the guy above. His arguments are impotent, he claims people to have “gotten it” without citing what they got or how they addressed the numerous plot holes of this film, and quite frankly, calling TDK a crime drama is an insult to crime dramas. Calling TDK the best superhero film ever is less of an insult, but considering the genre, meh.

where do we begin? (god i love that line)

well, i suppose the beginning makes sense

“You can try to make sense of it for all eternity, but essentially, this is so badly written none of the scenes can ever be justified by basic logic.”

Well, I happen to read around at all the articles that have been posted. and I see posts by movie fans. posts which, with extreme ease and clarity, clear up the perceived “problems” with scenes. so a) it didn’t take all eternity. significantly less in fact. b) base logic used each time to easily justify scenes.

For the most part, those who couldn’t make sense of the scenes are unable to do so because they didn’t pay attention in the movie. Now, that can hardly be said to be the movie’s fault can it?

Moving on,

“random CGI action scenes take place for no narrative-weighted reason.”

erm, no. TDK was fairly minimalistic when it came to CGI (eg most explosions done with real explosives). and it was always part of the narrative

Two Face: combination of makeup and CGI (im guessing the CGI was for the eye and gap in his cheek)

Highway Chase: well, the helicopter crash obviously couldn’t be done in full verite style. that said, batpod and tumbler=real. truck flip=real (apparently the device used to do this is visible for a few seconds)

end sequence: the bat sonar obviously required CGI. joker falling off building: hardly going to throw one of your star actors of a building are you? especially before a wonderful monologue.

“no intellectual credit whatsoever”

well, it did give you intellectual credit. judging by some of the difficulty its haters had understanding it, it gave some people a little too much intellectual credit (though i attribute this to people not paying attention in the movie) i mean, did iron man require you to think about things? (general term i know, but this was the kind of movie that makes you think about many things)

this movie was the thinking man’s (well, person’s technically, but you catch the drift) superhero film. not even that, because batmans really not a super hero per se… thinking man’s crime drama…? Genre definiton aside, there aren’t any summer blockbusters out there that required you to excercise that pink squishy sponge between the ears as much as this did. even in contest with other non summer blockbusters types, it still holds up terrifically.

I’ll agree with your last two paragraphs. Because they are sadly true. but they don’t apply to TDK. Because it wasn’t some FX j**k-off. It was much much more. Although the attention spans of some people seem to have prevented them from seeing that.

But if your like me, then you would wake up.

It is JUST A MOVIE! GET OVER IT!

Wake the fuck up people.

It is such a depressing shame too as Batman Begins seemed to buck the current Pirates Of The Caribbean/New Star Wars trend of films where random CGI action scenes take place for no narrative-weighted reason. Now we know: film is no longer about telling a story, it is about wowing your audience with continuous, ever louder, visually gratifying action sequences. As an audience, you are given no intellectual credit whatsoever; so long as you are in your seat, who cares whether the film has any artistic integrity?

I’m personally offended and totally disillusioned by this. I do not pay money to be patronised by the “latest marketing ethic based on current film-goers attitudes.” I know it is only entertainment, (and this is cliched) but what happened to the human soul? I understood it from old Star Wars, Star Trek and Indiana Jones, from Terminator 1+2, from Alien 1+2 etc: I do not see any humanity in the vast majority of films created now.

All I see is money-grabbing. Money-grabbing based on an idea of the consumer as an emotional animal whose carnal desires need to be piqued in order to get him/her to hand over their hard-earned. How else do you explain the spate of remakes and revivals? How else do you explain the nonsensical storylines of New Star Wars or POTC 2+3? Have we become so bland and uncreative as a culture that we can’t create anything with universal appeal that also makes sense?

Look at the dates of the posts.

I apologised for going too far into ad hominem territory on some posts at a later time.

Also, try rereading the posts of yours I was responding to in my various attacks before re-replying. Context is key! And when it comes to flinging insults, you almost invariably are the instigator.

And as to your phrase: `Just a music video?’ Oh my god, so your a medium snob as well as a genre elitist! I mean what the hell kind of thing to say is that? Explain to me just how a music video- regardless of budget or the genre of music- has inherently any less of a claim to being art than any other medium of expression (I.e. film, dance, architecture, design, comics etc).

The medium may very well be the message (although I don’t believe it is) but art is most certainly in the intention and the execution. Not merely the field in which it is pursued. The filmkakers you have previously listed as being those you admore would be appalled at such a narrow-minded viewpoint.

I’m stunned.

P.S. When Jimmyboy said you “lost the right” he obviously did not mean it literally. He was just saying it sounds, well, HYPOCRITICAL of somebody that on almost every topic here shows signs of being a hypocrite to try to site that as a major flaw in another person’s argument.

earl
loser?
yeah good.

check it out.
tdk was about 2 million dollars a minute. if you had 8 million dollars to direct a hip-hop video it should, without doubt, be amazing, but still it’s just a music video. so yeah, 200 million should make a comic book seem novel. so what?

and roger, you’re the biggest hypocrite here. you lost the right to criticise the hypocrisy of others a loooooong time ago.

Long Live The Dark Knight