who ever don’t understand the theme of the movie,they should just give up.because neither one of the boats blew up was to show that not all the people are about blowing things up.

and why two face was no longer the same is to show that people should not always prioritize by choosing to save women,that is why the joker swapped the addresses of were they are.

why so serious,its not all about the money that why the joker burned all the money.its about the plan people.even though
something is bad but if its according to the plan its good.

we are also taught not to want to be in control of everything.

well again there are so many mistakes on the movies,but its not important now,so i ll watch it again.

I wont repeat what Uno has said, because it’s unnecessary, but basically it was an inappropriate allusion because of the things Uno pointed out plus the fact that two different things were being tested; Milgram was testing obedience under certain conditions and found that it is only present under very specific conditions. the Joker was testing survival instinct and the willingness to sacrifice a hell of a lot of other lives for your own. even if the result had turned out to be the same, they arnt cmparable studies.

Also, you will tend to find anyone but the most sadistic/psychotic/sociopathic people will shy away from killng a lot of other people who are within eye sight.

also, we all know films often carry messages; about society, government, poeple, emotions, you know. there was a message there about how even in depraved places like Gotham City poeple still have a flicker of humanity; thats why it was the criminals who went so far as to throw the detonator out of the boat; to hammer a point home. maybe its not what would have happened in real life, maybe it is; depends whos on the boat.

and that leads me to my final point; it wasnt real life. it was a film. go mutter about the inaccuracy and unrealistic nature of The Simpsons or something….

Firstly, Milgram performed over a dozen different versions of his test and almost all of the findings completely disassociate this situation from that.

He showed that the effect only works if an authority figure is present, physically, the Joker was not. He showed that the effect only works if the authority figure was legitimate and respected, the Joker was not. He showed that it only worked if the situation was at least slightly ambiguous, and blowing up a ferry is most certainly not.

A large part of the discussion within psychology regarding the Milgram experiment (and trust me, by the end of your first year you are pretty sure you can not discuss it for another second) relates to the fact that the participants had a kind of plausible deniability in their own minds, and that when you take that away, the effect all but dissappears.

Plus, if they -did- believe it, the participants of the Milgram study only believed themselves to be harming or killing one person. Not pressing a button which meant certain death for a ferry load of people.

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, is the concept of gradual commitment. The shock levels in Milgram’s experiment increased by 15volts at a time, and after you have agreed to 15 volts, and then 30, it is hard to decide to draw a line before 45, or 60. It is very, very different to going from 0-blow up a ferry in one step, don’t you think?

Have a pleasant day,

Uno

Most cell phones have both speakers and microphones, so the concept of sonar, while a stretch, seems semi-plausible.

89 batman seemed like a realistic movie to me. with the exception of a utility belt pulling someone up. but hey I can buy that much for a movie.

He did know it was prisoners and regular people though on the boats I think also.

He just seemed totally omniscient and Batman seemed like a dumbass.

The point was to be SOCIALLY and MENTALLY realistic, as in the situations, emotional responses, mob mentality, and personal morality battles were down to earth and realistic rather then, “He is the good guy everyone likes him” mentality.

If Nolan wanted a physically realistic movie this movie would’ve sucked for a lot of reasons

no tumbler
no gadgets
no skyhook
no sonar
no two-face
no truck flipping
no bat-pod up the wall turn around
etc.
etc.
etc.

The concept of sonic booms not existing is just my way of saying that, because the setting requires a sense of disbelief, certain laws of physics and probability need to be suspended for the characters to live up to their names.